Community Summer War

Discussion of past, present, and future water war events.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by SEAL » Fri May 06, 2011 1:17 pm

Whoo... I just checked out the local battlefield guys. (Google Earth image can be found Here.) The forest is awesome! It's got a lot of really cool places where I could easily see a water war happening. The forest is a lot bigger than I thought too (Not quite a mile, but I think a large number of people could still have a good time.) Even if we don't end up fighting here, I will still try to get some friends together for a smaller scale war there.

Anyway, my brother took a ton of pictures, so you can see some of the cool places we found.

Here is one of the entrances. It's marked on the map in the other thread as "Entrance to forest".
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Here's the other entrance. It's near the dumping area.
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Here's a big mound of dirt near the 2nd entrance. My brother thought it would be cool to have one of the bases there, but it's kind of overgrown on top.
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Here's an image from atop the mound, looking down on part of the dumping area
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Here's another possible entrance near the dumping area.
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Here is the dumping area, with me standing on top of one of the mounds.
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Here are a bunch of pictures of various places inside the forest.

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And finally, here's a picture of the pavilion.
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So what do you guys think?
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by wetmonkey442 » Fri May 06, 2011 1:51 pm

That looks perfect! Great trails, ambush spots, lots of cover and I love the rocky areas.

I think this place is perfect.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by HBWW » Fri May 06, 2011 3:00 pm

Looks like I'd better start looking for the camo and prepping the guns.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by marauder » Fri May 06, 2011 3:56 pm

Seal is the man. :cool_liquidators:
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by martianshark » Fri May 06, 2011 4:23 pm

That does look pretty cool. I wish I could be there.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by HBWW » Sat May 07, 2011 3:02 am

It just occurred to me that this area offers a PERFECT blend of playing areas for casual and hardcore wars. The woods area might even be large enough for DX lol!

Time to start making epic game ideas. I say we designate the battlegrounds to cover as much variety as possible at once, keeping in mind the importance of the refill station when setting objective positions.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by DX » Sun May 08, 2011 8:24 pm

Looks like nice, high quality forest - love boulders, cliffs, and big trees without too much understory. Reminds me of Mamacoke Heights quite a bit, but with pines. Is that a ditch in one of the pictures, or is it a stream? Either way, that has refills covered for me. It's still smart to bring some big containers for transporting water if we use areas away from sources.

BTW, it looks like the only dates that all voters so far can make are August 20th and 21st. Everyone except M4 can make the 13th and 14th although it would be seriously lame without him.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by HBWW » Sun May 08, 2011 8:32 pm

My guess is that it is not a stream, but just a large puddle from earlier rain but it's quite difficult to tell. Either way, I'd prefer to stick to clean water only and ban natural sources. Not sure about others but we should probably take a vote on this.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by marauder » Sun May 08, 2011 8:47 pm

CA99 wrote:My guess is that it is not a stream, but just a large puddle from earlier rain but it's quite difficult to tell. Either way, I'd prefer to stick to clean water only and ban natural sources. Not sure about others but we should probably take a vote on this.
Feel free not to use the stream or puddle. I also think people should feel free to use whatever water source they chose. Everyone on here is enough of a veteran to recognize when a water source might be harmful to their blaster.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by martianshark » Sun May 08, 2011 9:44 pm

I think the point was that CA_99 doesn't want to have dirty rain water shot at him.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by marauder » Sun May 08, 2011 9:48 pm

martianshark wrote:I think the point was that CA_99 doesn't want to have dirty rain water shot at him.
Well, if CA_99 is on my team he won't have to worry about getting shot. If he's not... no worries... I will single him out myself
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by DX » Sun May 08, 2011 11:09 pm

The water may or may not be visually dirty…but in terms of it being actually dirty…think of it this way…all the air pollution generated from the West Coast, the Heartland, and the interior East Coast rains down on my head every time it rains and you don't see me wearing a body filter or avoiding going out in it. Judging by the battlefield pics and the overall area, that's likely to be hard water, which is pretty good for your skin due to the mineral mix it would contain. I live over a huge aquifer that delivers among the best class A flowing water in southern New England and it's hard as hell, but so clean you could drink it straight and has superior taste over filtered water. You know what's way worse for your skin, chlorine and its related products, which you intake every time you swim in a pool or take a shower. Oh, it's in tap water, too (unless you use a filter). Swimming in the ocean within the continental shelves of the lower 48 is worse than either of those two. I'd be willing to bet that you wouldn't balk at taking a shower, swimming in pools, or the ocean.

So what if natural water is more visually dirty? It's a free and fast resource. Who wants to wait in a line around a skinny-ass tap or an even slower-flowing fountain in a war with a good amount of people, when you can scoop it up from a stream or something and have everyone be done with refilling in a matter of seconds? Not having to worry about preset refilling stations also opens up more of the area to fighting. You can go fight in more places if there are sources around. Also makes refilling more strategic (The only time I've ever had free refills is when your whole side gets taken out in the same firefight, as a gesture to help them get back onto their feet). There's so much stuff that goes down when one team has to refill desperately and the other doesn't. With just one known source, the latter can just camp it. But, if everyone has free refills all the time, it is just lame. How many shooting games give their players free reloading, restricted to just one place? None. If you consider water warfare a shooting game like Nerf or airsoft, it makes no sense to make such rules. If you consider water warfare a tactical game like chess or football, it takes a huge element of strategy away. If it is a little of both, it detracts from the experience twice.

Now, obviously as M4 as noted, there's a natural limit. There's some stuff I wouldn't ever put in my rubber-bladdered CPS guns, like marine water. There's also stuff I wouldn't fire at other people, like Jersey orange fungus water, New York street corner puddles, sources downstream from untreated sewage entry points, etc. However, that stuff tends to be extreme and away from the type localities that serve up water warfare. And sometimes it can be gross, like the Jersey orange fungus water, but harmless. Harmful stuff is usually invisible and often in clear water, like in bottled water that is tested only 4 times a year.

If the concern about water is not about health, but simply appearance only, well it's an outdoor water war. I plan on getting dirty. Dodging in and out of cover, rolls, ambushing, and the occasional fall make a player dirty. Braver souls than I have used refilling as an opportunity to also rid themselves of dirt and mud (and others unintentionally by falling in lol).
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by HBWW » Mon May 09, 2011 2:06 am

My main concern was to bacteria, metal rusting (not sure how different kinds of water affect rust), and latex rubber deterioration. Unclean water tends to encourage the growth of bad stuff in water gun internals which needs to be cleaned out, whereas I generally never have to clean out my water guns aggressively (i.e. soapy water and what not) because they only ever get filled with tap water.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by wetmonkey442 » Mon May 09, 2011 8:56 am

I think we can all agree that those of us who are willing or able to open and clean our guns afterwards should be allowed to fill from streams.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by marauder » Mon May 09, 2011 10:25 am

I agree with Wetmonkey, but now I have to ask if there is a way to filter the chlorine out of my bath and shower water XD.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by HBWW » Mon May 09, 2011 10:47 am

Well I guess that's it then. If there are tactically placed natural refilling locations, I have pretty much no choice but to use them if everyone else is going to lol.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by scottthewaterwarrior » Mon May 09, 2011 10:56 am

OK I've been bussy and haven't checked the site in a wile so I will be posting on multiple topics:

I have relized that I might be able to make it to a war even if it's some where far away. CA99 is going in an RV and I just remembered that it might be posable to barrow my grandpa's RV and go on a road trip. So now my chances of coming are like 50% and not 25%.

As for game types I normaly have soakfests, but that's really just because that's all my normal battle buddies have the pataince for. I would love to do some capture the flag or something. I would prefer to avoide ellimination with out infanate lives unless in very short battles. I have never done it in a water war, but I did it in paintball and had to sit out for half an hour.

As for time limit I really don't have one, if we could do it I could handle a two day battle.

I am 18, the people I normaly battle with are around 13-18. Only two are 13 the rest are around 15-18 I would probaly only bring a couple of them though, most of them are two causual for even a causual war.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by HBWW » Mon May 09, 2011 12:51 pm

The RV is still in the air. If our group can't get enough people, then we will not be taking an RV.

Still need to contact Evangel (the ninja guy) and see if he'll be able to attend.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by marauder » Mon May 09, 2011 2:25 pm

CA99 wrote:Well I guess that's it then. If there are tactically placed natural refilling locations, I have pretty much no choice but to use them if everyone else is going to lol.
Dude, you can do whatever you want. You can use those, you can use the hose(s), you can fill up coolers, you can fill up water bottles. Fight your way.

As for game types I propose that we fight several different styles. It will be a lot of fun. I would prefer to have at least half of those games be some form of elimination (with or without respawn or capture the flag). I recognize your complaints about having to sit out after being eliminated, but I also want to point out that soakfests get old after everyone has been thoroughly soaked from head to toe. With that in mind I think we should test out different games, from the typical generic soakfest to games like Vampires or Zombies, to maybe a few scenarios or something. We can grill out at the park. If we do play elimination games (which I hope we do) then those eliminated can run the cameras and chill out at the grill. Diversity is where it's at gentlemen.
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Re: Community Summer War

Post by DX » Mon May 09, 2011 2:43 pm

Don't worry, when you're on my team it might take you hours to go through your first life :p
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